<HTML><FONT  SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>Subj:	<B> Traveller-digest V1999 #1526</FONT><FONT  SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10></B><BR>
Date:	12/18/99 11:09:50 AM Pacific Standard Time<BR>
From:	owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com (Traveller-digest)<BR>
Sender:	owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Reply-to:	traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
To:	traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
</FONT><FONT  SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10><BR>
</FONT><FONT  SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10><BR>
Traveller-digest    Saturday, December 18 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1526<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
<BR>
The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
RE: Re Rations<BR>
RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: Re Rations<BR>
RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: OT Suggestions<BR>
Re:  7 wonders of Space or why limit oneself<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement <BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: OT?: Sliders (was Re: Ethnic Confusions)<BR>
Re: Re Rations<BR>
Re: Re Rations<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517<BR>
RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517<BR>
RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: OT: Hot Rods and Gun Bunnies<BR>
Re: Re Mergins the US and Canada<BR>
Re: Ethnicity<BR>
Re: Ethnicity<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Tech Cliffs...  (was Re: OT Suggestions)<BR>
Re: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
<BR>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:44:56 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
> From: Sethkimmel@aol.com [mailto:Sethkimmel@aol.com]<BR>
<BR>
> In a message dated 12/17/99 11:22:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
> gridlore@pop.mindspring.com writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> << Memo: To Andy & Dom<BR>
>  <BR>
>  Forget about even asking.  I am *not* writing "101 Freshers"<BR>
>  --  >><BR>
> <BR>
> ROTFLMAO!!! SPLORT!!!! add me to the soaked keyboard brigade...:-)<BR>
<BR>
Yep - he got me too (damn!  I thought I was immune!)<BR>
<BR>
Still - it does open up a whole new can (sorry) of worms.  How do the<BR>
various races...um...well...go?<BR>
<BR>
 -- vargr1                                              UPP-8D9B85 --<BR>
The three principle virtues of a good programmer   | dmoody@bridge-dot-com<BR>
 are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.             | vargr1@jcn1-dot-com<BR>
             ** Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina. **           <BR>
 <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:49:25 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: Sethkimmel@aol.com [mailto:Sethkimmel@aol.com]<BR>
> <BR>
> Query: How do lefties use it? Granted it's caseless, but.... <BR>
> I look at <BR>
> pictures of modern bullpup weapons, and it looks like a lefty <BR>
> would have <BR>
> his/her face up against the ejector port. Can some of the <BR>
> gun/anti gun <BR>
> flamies help me with this one?<BR>
<BR>
There are designs for bullpup weapons that eject the spent cases straight<BR>
down.<BR>
<BR>
The French FAMAS http://www.remtek.com/arms/famas/index.htm can be switched<BR>
from right to left handed firing with a few adjustments.  I can see an<BR>
advanced version doing this with as little as the flip of a lever.<BR>
<BR>
With a caseless round, you wont have to worry about it.<BR>
<BR>
> Ob Trav: I assume everything is ambi, or gene therapy has <BR>
> eliminated left <BR>
> hand dominance (sounds very Solomani, doesn't it...:-) )<BR>
<BR>
Yep - gets rid of all those people who keep their mouse of the left side of<BR>
the keyboard :-)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
 -- vargr1                                              UPP-8D9B85 --<BR>
The three principle virtues of a good programmer   | dmoody@bridge-dot-com<BR>
 are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.             | vargr1@jcn1-dot-com<BR>
             ** Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina. **           <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:03:28 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
Well I'm betting the Vargr have a cubicle with a trough and a fire hydrant<BR>
in it.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 11:44 AM<BR>
Subject: RE: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > From: Sethkimmel@aol.com [mailto:Sethkimmel@aol.com]<BR>
><BR>
> > In a message dated 12/17/99 11:22:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,<BR>
> > gridlore@pop.mindspring.com writes:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > << Memo: To Andy & Dom<BR>
> ><BR>
> >  Forget about even asking.  I am *not* writing "101 Freshers"<BR>
> >  --  >><BR>
> ><BR>
> > ROTFLMAO!!! SPLORT!!!! add me to the soaked keyboard brigade...:-)<BR>
><BR>
> Yep - he got me too (damn!  I thought I was immune!)<BR>
><BR>
> Still - it does open up a whole new can (sorry) of worms.  How do the<BR>
> various races...um...well...go?<BR>
><BR>
>  -- vargr1                                              UPP-8D9B85 --<BR>
> The three principle virtues of a good programmer   | dmoody@bridge-dot-com<BR>
>  are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.             | vargr1@jcn1-dot-com<BR>
>              ** Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina. **<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:50:48 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
> From: Black ICE [mailto:wombat@premier.net]<BR>
> Having been trained on the M16A1, I simply taught myself to fire<BR>
> right-handed.  After all, while the US Army provided plastic brass<BR>
> deflectors that clip onto the M16A1, I figured that, in <BR>
> combat, I might<BR>
> not have a brass deflector handy.<BR>
<BR>
The A2 and later versions have a brass deflector built in.<BR>
<BR>
 -- vargr1                                              UPP-8D9B85 --<BR>
The three principle virtues of a good programmer   | dmoody@bridge-dot-com<BR>
 are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.             | vargr1@jcn1-dot-com<BR>
             ** Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina. **           <BR>
<BR>
 <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:08:05 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: OT Suggestions<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> "'030's and '020's"? It is to laugh. Try 68000. At least I think that's<BR>
> what's in the SE. The SE *30* is the one with a 68030.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, it is not to laugh, it is to wait...and wait...and wait...<BR>
<BR>
Besides, I forgot....The SE does have a 68000 chip, running at a whopping<BR>
16 mhz! (My old Plus runs at 8)<BR>
<BR>
A while back, the MB died on my PPC, and while I was waiting for a<BR>
replacment to arrive, I drug out the ol' Mac Plus to at least dial in for<BR>
e-mail...<BR>
<BR>
Whew! 'Twas an...interesting experience, to say the least. I went from a<BR>
75 mhz 32bit processor, 96 mb RAM,  2 17" monitors at 24 bit color to a 9'<BR>
B&W screen on a machine with a 40 megabyte HD and 4 Mb of RAM.<BR>
<BR>
It felt like I was working in a shoebox.<BR>
<BR>
But once I swung back into it a while, it wasn't nearly as sluggish as I<BR>
would have thought. Pretty amazing for an antique...<BR>
<BR>
And the speed difference wasn't as apparent as when I went to my (now) 233<BR>
mhz 604 from the 75 mhz 601.<BR>
<BR>
Then again, At work I have a 350 mhz PIII that I can't really tell a lot<BR>
of difference from the 266 PII it used to be. We refresh the technology at<BR>
work a _little_ faster than I do at home ;-)<BR>
<BR>
obTrav...what would it be like for someone used to working on TL-14 ships<BR>
to sit down at a TL9 console? I mean, the equivalent leap to us is the<BR>
difference between a 777 cockpit and a steam locomotive...<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:21:02 GMT<BR>
From: "Boris Cibic" <kafka47@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re:  7 wonders of Space or why limit oneself<BR>
<BR>
Why limit oneself?  I ran the campaign entitled the 77 Wonders of Known <BR>
Space.  On the list were a fair share of Ancient and pre-Ancient sites as <BR>
well as the Natural wonders of Chartered Space.  Sadly the campaign pettered <BR>
out by #20.<BR>
Wonders included:<BR>
1. Antiquity - the lost chambers<BR>
2. Empty Sector - which is not so empty<BR>
3. Nova at Antares<BR>
4. The Space lighthouse - a halloween special<BR>
5. The plains of K'rw'ed - where an extinct race lives on a telepathic <BR>
resonance influencing dreams of the awake and sleepers.<BR>
6-9. Sky Raiders Trilogy enhanced by more deadly traps and adventure.<BR>
10.  The living city of Terraolopis.<BR>
11. The pyramids on Mars<BR>
12.  The Hinter-ringworld<BR>
13.  The nexus binary black holes.<BR>
14.  The Collusial Machine in Aslan Space<BR>
15.  The Dark Nebula - hiding an old Terran colony from the First breakout.<BR>
16.  ...<BR>
BTW,  has anyone on the list ever tried to meld a Delta Green background <BR>
onto one's own Traveller Universe?<BR>
______________________________________________________<BR>
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:34:50 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement <BR>
<BR>
> At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, someone else wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >> BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
> >> http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
> >> <BR>
> >> "Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
> <BR>
> Then Douglas E. Berry replied:<BR>
> > <BR>
> > "My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
> <BR>
> Hmmmm...lemme guess...."2001: A Linux Odyssey"!!<BR>
<BR>
"2010: The Year Windows Stops Crashing"<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:38:49 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> > Well, it doesn't need *different* metals. Just that the ark be built<BR>
> > (as it was) of an insulator (wood?) covered inside and out with metal<BR>
> > *and no connection between the inside and outside metal coverings.*<BR>
> <BR>
> <snippage><BR>
> <BR>
> > There's an *old*(late 60s/early 70s) Popular Science (or maybe<BR>
> > Scientific American) with plans for building one at home.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > You get enough voltage for it to arc over a quarter inch gap. <BR>
> <BR>
> So what you're saying is that it was really the Arc of the Covenant?<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
SPLOORT! <SNORK> Oh damn, hot coffee _hurts_ going out that orifrice!!!<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:03:40 -0500<BR>
From: Thom Jones-Low <tjoneslo@together.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
> ------------------------------<BR>
> <BR>
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:40:47 PST<BR>
> From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
> Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> Which means it was discovered when the warehouse changed hands and a<BR>
> *complete* inventory was done. Here's a crate with an unreadable serial<BR>
> number. And the list of items has one item not checked off.<BR>
> <BR>
> Actually, I'd expect that there'd be several such crates and list<BR>
> entries, as well as a few actually missing crates and maybe one or two<BR>
> that just plain don't *have* serial numbers.<BR>
> <BR>
> Even so, sorting out what was likely what (by the dimensions and weight<BR>
> given for the crates in the inventory listing) wouldn't be *that* hard.<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
	I'm glad you just volunteered for that particular duty. I'm not going<BR>
anywhere near any of those crates. Even if they contain only water<BR>
powered engines and working fusion power generators. <BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
	Thomas Jones-Low<BR>
	tjoneslo@together.net<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:44:11<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: OT?: Sliders (was Re: Ethnic Confusions)<BR>
<BR>
At 06:57 AM 12/18/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Which brings up an interesting conjecture. Not sure if this is off-topic.<BR>
>For anyone who watches Sliders, do the Kromaggs represent an evolved homo<BR>
>erectus or something else?  Could it also mean that at least one of the<BR>
>human minor races could have evolved into something similar?<BR>
<BR>
IIRC, as I finally gave up on Sliders after they started that whole Kromagg<BR>
silliness, the Kromaggs are supposed to be from a line where baboons<BR>
achieved sentience.<BR>
<BR>
Since baboons are extraordinarily vicious little pricks, they do make for a<BR>
good enemy.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:46:33<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
At 09:23 AM 12/18/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>What Doug? your not willing to plunge the depths required for such <BR>
>a strange project, we need to find another loo-se canon to write it<BR>
>then, I'm feeling kinda flushed about it myself.<BR>
<BR>
C'mon, I'm already going to have to blow part of my watching helplessly as<BR>
Kirsten (aka TechnoDyke) fixes the bathroom sink, what more do you want<BR>
from?<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:47:28<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
At 10:18 AM 12/18/1999 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>I'm not sure what a first year university student ('fresher') has to <BR>
>do with litter boxes?<BR>
<BR>
After all that partying, your marks are for shit?<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas "Penguin" Berry  gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
 http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:49:55 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> In short, you overestimate both the deadliness and the rate of fire of<BR>
> weapons. And you grossly *underestimate both the *ease* of tackling<BR>
> someone with a gun (the folks that have tried mostly didn't even get<BR>
> wounded!) and the *difficulty* of doing so to a man with a knife (or a<BR>
> machete). I mention the machete because such have been used in recent<BR>
> years in a couple of killing sprees.<BR>
<BR>
Yes, they have, to rather grim efficiency. The estimates were that 1-2<BR>
million were killed, with hundreds of thousands 'merely' maimed, by having<BR>
their arms, hands or feet hacked off.<BR>
<BR>
CF: Rwanda...the vast majority of the genocide was carried out with<BR>
machetes. They ran out of ammunition very early.<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:50:28<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
At 10:49 AM 12/18/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> Ob Trav: I assume everything is ambi, or gene therapy has <BR>
>> eliminated left hand dominance (sounds very Solomani, doesn't it...:-) )<BR>
><BR>
>Yep - gets rid of all those people who keep their mouse of the left side of<BR>
>the keyboard :-)<BR>
<BR>
Feh.  You can't get rid of us sinister folks that easily.<BR>
<BR>
Oddly enough, even though I'm left handed, I was taught to fire a sniper<BR>
rifle right handed.  So when I use a scope-sighted weapon, I fire right,<BR>
otherwise, I fire left.  Another reason I want a MP-5, they make a left<BR>
handed model (whimper).<BR>
<BR>
And we keep the trackball on the right side of the keyboard.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
"When you're raised by the Jesuits, you<BR>
end up obedient or impertinent."<BR>
   - Asst DA Jack McCoy, _Law And Order_<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:51:35<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
At 10:50 AM 12/18/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> Having been trained on the M16A1, I simply taught myself to fire<BR>
>> right-handed.  After all, while the US Army provided plastic brass<BR>
>> deflectors that clip onto the M16A1, I figured that, in <BR>
>> combat, I might not have a brass deflector handy.<BR>
><BR>
>The A2 and later versions have a brass deflector built in.<BR>
<BR>
I just got used to having brass hit me in the face.  It only really<BR>
bothered me when it *stuck*<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:00:04 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517<BR>
<BR>
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Jim & Peta Lawrie wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>     Before he walked up and pulled the trigger, Bryant was a desperately<BR>
> sick young man who was being neglected by his society. Bryant would carry<BR>
> his SKS around and regularly threaten people with it.<BR>
<BR>
Well, the flip side of this is that had he been arrested for threatening<BR>
people with a firearm, the whole thing would have been stopped as well,<BR>
before anyone was hurt, and without the vast political consequences.<BR>
<BR>
Unless laws are very different in Australia, what he did is assault with a<BR>
deadly weapon, or as a lesser crime, brandishing a weapon, certainly a<BR>
prosecutable offense.<BR>
<BR>
I sat on a jury and helped convict a couple of young idiots who did<BR>
just that, pointing a gun at someone, because it would 'scare' them. <BR>
<BR>
They could have gotten up to five years for that one, as they were<BR>
convicted on two counts each.<BR>
<BR>
The question mainly is why was his illegal and threatening behavior for so<BR>
long?<BR>
<BR>
Arizona has quite liberal gun laws; concealed carry with permits, open<BR>
carry just about anywhere (and many people do), but you'll get pounced<BR>
upon by the cops for waving it around like that.  <BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:01:29 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: Douglas E. Berry [mailto:gridlore@pop.mindspring.com]<BR>
> At 10:50 AM 12/18/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >> Having been trained on the M16A1, I simply taught myself to fire<BR>
> >> right-handed.  After all, while the US Army provided plastic brass<BR>
> >> deflectors that clip onto the M16A1, I figured that, in <BR>
> >> combat, I might not have a brass deflector handy.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >The A2 and later versions have a brass deflector built in.<BR>
> <BR>
> I just got used to having brass hit me in the face.  It only really<BR>
> bothered me when it *stuck*<BR>
<BR>
My wife has a slight problem when firing my 1911 Officers Model.  The brass<BR>
describes a perfect arc from the ejection port straight back towards her -<BR>
landing right between her breasts.<BR>
<BR>
Needless to say, she never wears anything low-cut to the range anymore.<BR>
<BR>
vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85<BR>
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.<BR>
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ                vargr1@jcn1*com<BR>
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with."      dmoody@bridge*com<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:04:32 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: Douglas E. Berry [mailto:gridlore@pop.mindspring.com]<BR>
> <BR>
> Feh.  You can't get rid of us sinister folks that easily.<BR>
> <BR>
> Oddly enough, even though I'm left handed, I was taught to <BR>
> fire a sniper<BR>
> rifle right handed.  So when I use a scope-sighted weapon, I <BR>
> fire right,<BR>
> otherwise, I fire left.  Another reason I want a MP-5, they <BR>
> make a left<BR>
> handed model (whimper).<BR>
<BR>
Sweeet!  I am having to force myself to learn left-handed firing.  In the<BR>
class I took last night, we worked on loading, racking the slide, and firing<BR>
with the off hand only.  Ouch!  I'm really a big supporter of ambidextrous<BR>
controls on *everything* now.<BR>
<BR>
Still,  it would be easier if everyone was right handed - like the rest of<BR>
the universe.<BR>
 <BR>
> And we keep the trackball on the right side of the keyboard.<BR>
<BR>
I won't *even* ask about this... :)<BR>
<BR>
 -- vargr1                                              UPP-8D9B85 --<BR>
The three principle virtues of a good programmer   | dmoody@bridge-dot-com<BR>
 are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.             | vargr1@jcn1-dot-com<BR>
             ** Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina. **           <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:03:57 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: OT: Hot Rods and Gun Bunnies<BR>
<BR>
Those soviet or chinese "AP" rounds actually aren't really armour<BR>
piercing, and IMO were never meant to be. There "penetrator" is made of<BR>
soft steel and isn't really shaped right.<BR>
<BR>
I was reading where the US Rangers in Somalia were rather disgusted with the<BR>
new rounds for the M-16. They were equipped with "armor piercing" rounds<BR>
with some sort of super hard penetrator.  The grip was that they tended to<BR>
punch nice, neat pinholes in bodies, and without a direct hit on a major<BR>
organ,  it took too many rounds to knock someone down quickly.<BR>
<BR>
Seems like the Somalis weren't armored well enough .<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:08:37 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Mergins the US and Canada<BR>
<BR>
Both are republics,<BR>
>and merging Canada into the US would simply result in (IIRC) 13 new states,<BR>
>and fewer reps in congress for new york, texas, california, etc... smaller<BR>
>states would really not suffer in congress.<BR>
<BR>
I think you mean it would lead to less control of the congress by the above<BR>
mentioned states. Reps are based on population and unless all of our<BR>
citizens moved to the new Canadian states, our representation in Congress<BR>
would not decrease at all. We would still have the raw numbers, but a<BR>
smaller percentage of the overall representation.<BR>
<BR>
Then again I firmly believe that once Canadians lost that "I'm not an<BR>
American Bias" anyway, they would all move to Texas or California like the<BR>
other Northerners have :)<BR>
Then we would get even more Reps  :)<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:18:57 -0800<BR>
From: "James W. Lindsay" <jlindsay@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:20:15 -0500, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> My take on races, and please, someone who is knowledgeable in genetics<BR>
> please correct me if I am wrong, is that there is only one human race and<BR>
> that the various branches of it are merely human adaptations to climate.<BR>
> Ergo, it follows that if MY ancestors were born in Africa, I too would be<BR>
> black and not white as I am today.  I also think that in a few millennia,<BR>
> the people who are black and always living in the northern, colder climates,<BR>
> will eventually breed light-skinned people, unless they keep re-infusing<BR>
> their gene pools from other blacks migrating north.<BR>
> <BR>
> In essence, to my way of thinking, this invalidates 'racism' and 'hate<BR>
> crimes' attached to it because we are all one human race.<BR>
<BR>
Supporting your argument was a recent article purporting that true natural<BR>
blondes will someday become extinct.  It has to do with dominant genes.<BR>
The only blondes you will see a few hundred years from now will be a select<BR>
few "purebreds" or those whose DNA has been altered at birth.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
James W. Lindsay       Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada<BR>
"http://members.home.net/jlindsay"   ICQ:7521644 (Sharkey)<BR>
<BR>
"Honk if you've slept with Riker."<BR>
           -- typical Starfleet shuttlecraft bumpersticker<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:22:01 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
From: Jory Earl <j-man@iname.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> My take on races, and please, someone who is knowledgeable in<BR>
>genetics please correct me if I am wrong, is that there is only one<BR>
>human race and that the various branches of it are merely human<BR>
>adaptations to climate.<BR>
<BR>
To the best of my understanding, I think that's more or less accurate.<BR>
<BR>
> Ergo, it follows that if MY ancestors were born in Africa, I too would<BR>
>be black and not white as I am today.  I also think that in a few<BR>
>millennia, the people who are black and always living in the northern,<BR>
>colder climates, will eventually breed light-skinned people, unless<BR>
>they keep re-infusing their gene pools from other blacks migrating<BR>
>north.<BR>
<BR>
That kind of thing would take a long time, if I understand correctly, and<BR>
further it only works if modern life doesn't override evolution in some way<BR>
or another.<BR>
<BR>
> In essence, to my way of thinking, this invalidates 'racism' and 'hate<BR>
> crimes' attached to it because we are all one human race.<BR>
<BR>
Well, not exactly, it merely invalidates "racism" as entrenched in<BR>
biological "fact" to the extent that it was thought to be during the 19th<BR>
and early 20th centuries. Racism serves as a placeholder for the belief that<BR>
differences in gross morphology also indicate differences in mental, moral<BR>
and aesthetic capabilities, and that these differences can be ranked in a<BR>
hierarchical fashion.<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:24:14 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > So what you're saying is that it was really the Arc of the Covenant?<BR>
> > <BR>
> <BR>
> SPLOORT! <SNORK> Oh damn, hot coffee _hurts_ going out that <BR>
>orifrice!!!<BR>
<BR>
Sorry, I simply couldn't resist! ;)<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:37:47 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Tech Cliffs...  (was Re: OT Suggestions)<BR>
<BR>
At 10:08 AM 12/18/99 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
>obTrav...what would it be like for someone used to working on TL-14 ships<BR>
>to sit down at a TL9 console? I mean, the equivalent leap to us is the<BR>
>difference between a 777 cockpit and a steam locomotive...<BR>
><BR>
>Bruce Johnson<BR>
<BR>
        Hi, Bruce!<BR>
        In my TNEC PBEM I have a scene where two pilots are looking at the<BR>
newer of two antiques they are going to be crewing...  Its amusing....<BR>
<BR>
	-+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+-<BR>
	Michel R. Vaillancourt	misha@atlantic-online.ns.ca<BR>
				ICQ # 31172292<BR>
	"Reality Error in Progress....<BR>
			....Do Not Adjust Your Penguin"	<BR>
	-+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+-<BR>
	Into Cyberpunk?  Check Out:<BR>
		"http://www.atlantic-online.ns.ca/cp2020"<BR>
	Into Traveller?  Check Out:<BR>
		"http://www.atlantic-online.ns.ca/traveller"<BR>
	-+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+-<BR>
	***REMEMBER - Always virus-check your emails ***<BR>
	-+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+-<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:18:20 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/17/1999 20:05, Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> At 03:01 PM 12/17/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>>> I've written a space combat game the history of which has combined USA and<BR>
>>> Canada into the Union of North America.  How would Canadians feal about<BR>
>>> that?  Americans?  Would it help that in 2080 the president-elect from<BR>
>>> Toronto gives a "before the decade is out" speech<BR>
>> <BR>
>> I presume there was an invasion?  I can't see it happening<BR>
>> voluntarily...  Most Canadians are very quick to say they aren't <BR>
> Americans....<BR>
><BR>
> Unless sometime in the 21st century, the Parti Quebecois actually succeeds<BR>
> in their separation referendum. The Maritimes, cut off from the rest of<BR>
> Canada and with a terrible economic situation, petition to join the USA, as<BR>
> do the western provinces....<BR>
<BR>
Well, if we thought we could get away with it, the Pacific Northwest<BR>
(WA, OR, ID, MT) And Alaska might try to get together with those<BR>
western provinces (or at least some of them) and form a nation on our<BR>
own. To the best of my knowledge, *none* of the above<BR>
states/territoriries has a lot of use for their current central<BR>
government, and they have a lot in common with each other.<BR>
<BR>
> And the rest could be history.<BR>
<BR>
Yep.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
End of Traveller-digest V1999 #1526<BR>
***********************************<BR>
<BR>
To unsubscribe to Traveller-Digest, send the command:<BR>
<BR>
unsubscribe traveller-digest<BR>
<BR>
in the body of a message to "traveller-request@lists.imagiconline.com".<BR>
If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is<BR>
coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that<BR>
address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe<BR>
"local-traveller":<BR>
<BR>
subscribe traveller-digest local-traveller@your.domain.net<BR>
<BR>
A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to<BR>
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "traveller-digest"<BR>
in the commands above with "traveller".<BR>
<BR>
Multi-Player Games Network http://www.mpgn.com<BR>
</XMP></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0f0f0f" BACK="#fffffe" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10><BR>
<BR>
----------------------- Headers --------------------------------<BR>
Return-Path: <owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Received: from  rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:09:50 -0500<BR>
Received: from  lists.imagiconline.com (lists.imagiconline.com [204.85.32.11]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:09:31 -0500<BR>
Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)<BR>
	by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA56618;<BR>
	Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:09:07 -0500 (EST)<BR>
	(envelope-from owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com)<BR>
Received: by lists.imagiconline.com (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:06:58 -0500<BR>
Received: (from majordom@localhost)<BR>
	by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA56377<BR>
	for traveller-digest-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:06:57 -0500 (EST)<BR>
	(envelope-from owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com)<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:06:57 -0500 (EST)<BR>
Message-Id: <199912181906.OAA56377@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
From: owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com (Traveller-digest)<BR>
To: traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: Traveller-digest V1999 #1526<BR>
Reply-To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Sender: owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
<BR>
</HTML>
